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Interview with researcher and inventor, Harry Oldfield

by Felicity Eliot

New technology has expanded the Kirlian photographic technology, enabling scientists and physicians to see three dimensional images of the energy fields surrounding all life forms, and to investigate the precursory conditions of disease and well being. January/February 2013

Science knows there is something just beyond its present grasp - frustratingly near - but a more complete picture is yet to emerge.

The missing piece of the puzzle in this case has been variously described as dark matter, dark energy, an aspect of Einstein's theory of gravity - a "cosmological constant", perhaps the cause of the expansion of the universe, possibly "some strange kind of energy-fluid which filled space". NASA admits that even now "more is unknown than known".

Science decrees that seeing is believing; whereas perhaps more secrets would be unlocked if that were to be inverted to a rather more esoteric approach - "believing is seeing" - indicating that an open-minded approach to any unknown may allow the researcher to see what she might otherwise dismiss as being impossible. And in a sense that is what has been foisted upon astrophysicists and other scientists who have become aware of the existence of that elusive something.

Harry Oldfield does not purport to know the secrets of the universe but his research has led him to conclusions that physicists might find very interesting.

Felicity Eliot first interviewed Harry Oldfield for Share International in March 1982 and now revisits his work.

Positive thoughts and energy from a Tibetan Lama
Positive thoughts and energy from a Tibetan Lama.

Share International: What attracted you to this field of work? How did you get started?

Harry Oldfield: Psychic discoveries behind the Iron Curtain was the title of a fascinating book I came across by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder. It detailed the work of Semyon and Valentina Kirlian, two Ukrainian researchers. I was immediately interested. As a science and biology teacher I've always had an open mind.

It was in the 1930s that Semyon Kirlian and his wife Valentina developed what is now called Kirlian photography. They conducted experiments in which photographic film was placed on top of a conducting plate, and another conductor was attached to a hand, a leaf or other plant material. The conductors were energized by a high frequency high voltage power source, producing photographic images typically showing a silhouette of the object surrounded by an aura of light. And when I saw a photograph of a so-called 'phantom leaf' effect I just couldn't believe my eyes.

In their book they generously provided diagrams of how to make the sort of camera used to photograph this energy field. So within a couple of days I'd made my own and started experimenting straight away.

SI: How should we understand this phenomenon?

H.O: I believe it shows the subtle energy of a sub-atomic energy matrix. When you look at me you're not really seeing me at all.

SI: Could you please explain - since I think I can see you and everything else pretty well!

H.O: What you're seeing is an outer form which is strung over and based on another subtler form, an energy body which is in a constant state of change. In the physical leaf which the Kirlians used in their experimental photography a large percentage of the leaf was cut away - but the subtle shape of the leaf remained.

Now, we have taken it even further, photographing phantom limbs in people who have had an arm or leg amputated - most, unfortunately, usually due to traffic accidents.*

SI: Years ago you developed Polycontrast Interference Photography, I recall.

H.O: In the late 1980s, I developed a scanner which could provide a real time, moving image of the energy field. We called it Polycontrast Interference Photography, or PIP. I was convinced that the future of analysis and diagnosis lay in finding a scanner which could 'see' imbalances in the energy field rather than disease in the physical body.

SI: So we're really talking about 'energy fields' that are not dense physical matter and normally invisible but that your instruments pick up? 

H.O: Yes. What we have been able to show is an energy interaction with light, giving an insight into the energy counterpart, which is the basis or template on which our physical molecules are strung. On average, every atom in the human body is replaced every seven to nine years. Think of your body not as a physical structure but as a moving fountain of molecules that are constantly being replaced. So what keeps them a coherent recognisable form? I believe it to be an organising template of energy.

To go back to basics, in Kirlian photography the actual quantum physical particle that produced the picture was an electron - it was an electron effect that produced a coronal discharge effect around the object and also underneath the object which was recorded onto light sensitive film. There were no lenses involved. The energy itself imprinted onto the film.

Kirlian technology had a few limitations: it was two-dimensional. The depth of field was very flat. I tried to develop a three-dimensional technology. I think I was one of the few people outside of Russia who was researching along these lines and one of the first to invent a three dimensional kirlian-type camera. In fact it's detailed in a book of mine called The Dark Side of the Brain: Major Discoveries in the Use of Kirlian Photography and Electrocrystal Therapy.

Energy picture of phantom arm
Energy picture of phantom arm.

SI: Am I correct in thinking that the Kirlian system was used with your co-operation as a diagnostic tool in a hospital or hospitals in Britain?

H.O: Yes, at the time it was. The doctor I worked with was a biochemist and cytologist researcher. He suggested that rather than looking at plants and fruit specimens that we look at cancerous cells in patients and compare them with normal cells. We decided to look at the energy signature of different cells. So as you can imagine we were quite ahead of the time. We tried to get it accepted as a diagnostic research tool which could reveal problem areas before they became visible on the physical level. Unfortunately, there was also some psychic research interest in this field and the mainstream found it difficult to accept.

SI: And then you went on to develop what you call the New Energy Vision.

H.O: Yes, that's right. In the last couple of years we've improved our technology. Now we've taken our research and inventions a step further. We now use what we've called the New Energy Vision (NEV) system which is a modern version of earlier phases of my work and a further development. In the last couple of years this work has really moved ahead and I'm proud to say that the new programme was developed by my son, Anthony Oldfield.

SI: How does it work?

H.O: If we look at the work of Kirlian again the quantum particle that produced the image was the electron. What we're using now with NEV - is photonic.

In Kirlian photography an electron produced interference with subtle energy on a photographic plate - that is, it was two-dimensional.

What we've been able to do with NEV is to look at three-dimensional shapes, for example human beings with their own energy - and we can show the subtle energy that lies below the surface physical body. And we're able to show it in various forms and various colours.

SI: Could you give an example of where and when you would use it?

H.O: Well, we point a camera at you; it's hooked up to the computer which uses software. This software has special functions called algorithms which look at what is happening when a photon travels in and out of a person's energy field. So it shows them but with different forms and colours.


Left: Plant with leaves. Right: Plant showing kirlian energy shortly after leaves were removed.
Left: Plant with leaves. Right: Plant showing kirlian energy shortly after leaves were removed.

SI: If you photograph someone who is apparently healthy using NEV and you also photograph someone who is known to be ill what can be seen? Are there marked differences?

H.O: Oh, the two results are totally different. But before we go on, I must make it clear that I am not saying this should take the place of a thorough medical diagnosis.

But to get back to the results we see with NEV: in the healthy person we see the chakras or energy centres and also the meridians known and used in acupuncture and the chakras recognised in ancient medical practices such as in India and China.

I've lectured and taught people in both those countries including natural medicine doctors of each country to use this system.

We see different colours and patterns on the human being, mapped in this way and also in the outer field or what some people call an outer energetic process, or the aura - not a word I use too much because it is in fact a by-product of the life force energy field working in a person's body.

SI: Is there a difference and how does it show up if we're considering different states of mind or emotion?

H.O: We can show in and around the person the power of positive thinking, for instance, or the converse.

SI: What do you see?

H.O: Well, if someone's thinking loving, positive thoughts or is in a state of elevated consciousness such as in meditation the colours brighten and expand and even flood out even into the environment. However, when a person is depressed the colours and the energy field contracts and become denser and dark. You've heard the saying that someone has a dark cloud over them - well we've actually seen a dark cloud of energy hanging over a negative depressed individual.

SI: Does age make a difference to the energy field? Does gender play a role? Are there differences and or similarities that indicate a pattern in different countries? Are there seasonal changes or variations in people?

H.O: It's as complicated and complex as looking at an individual. People vary so much - perhaps they feel different in different seasons. Twins in the same family show variations but interestingly enough we've noticed that in twins there is a sort of mirror image in the energy field. For example, if one twin has a little 'block' of energy in the subtle body on their right temple the other twin will have a similar 'block', but on the left temple. This indicates how detailed our research can be.

Curiously enough, we detected similarities and consistent difference within professions. When, for example, I took a picture of a stressed individual working in the docklands in London, compared with someone working in an ashram in Rishikesh there is a great universal difference. A stockbroker on a good day at work tends to have a bright, clear 'aura' - although they still have the ulcer! But a yoga master in India shows a steady state of luminosity which doesn't vary. In such individuals stress hardly occurs or affects them.

SI: Are the systems you've developed used by others?

H.O: There are many people in countries worldwide who use our technology for healing and research purposes.

SI: I'd like to ask you about "dark matter".

H.O: It was quite a while ago now that cosmologists, astrophysicists, astronomers started looking into the galaxy; the spin-rate of stars in the centre of the galaxy indicated that they were spinning in a way which indicated there was not enough matter to explain the spin rate - there had to be another explanation - some hidden matter to explain this. Calculations led them to conclude that 90-something per cent of the matter in the universe was invisible - hence the term "dark matter". Further research tried to calculate the expansion speed of the universe after the Big Bang. After more research cosmologists announced that the universe was speeding up. They concluded that there had to be energy everywhere in the universe that is moving things apart. Think of dark matter and gravity that bring things closer together; dark energy is moving things apart. So it is the other force in cosmology. This is, of course, an oversimplified explanation.

SI: Would you go as far as to say that much of what is known as the 'etheric' in esoteric literature or the ancient wisdom teachings is the same as what science is calling dark matter and dark energy?

H.O: I think it is highly likely. In many of the energetic forms that I see with NEV not only around people but also in and around sacred places, and crop circles, there is this etheric component which cannot be ignored. In fact, I would go so far as to say that cosmology has not been able to get the unified field theory so far because the ether has been left out of the equation.

SI: Do you think that this is exactly the next big discovery? It's as if we're waiting for science to catch up with ancient knowledge.

H.O: Exactly! Yes, to catch up. I believe with the dark matter and etheric made up of subtler and subtler layers which we can't see normally - are energies which we could say are 'leaking' into our space-time universal co-ordinates. We're not just talking here of three dimensions - we're talking about several more. Professor Stephen Hawking talks of 10 dimensions.

SI: Moving from the cosmological to the individual again and what we deal with in our daily lives, would this explain why and how homeopathy works, why acupuncture works, why telepathy is possible? There must be a medium through which energy - a thought, for instance, can travel, would you say?

H.O: Yes, absolutely. And furthermore perhaps this is an aspect which should be taken into account in research into the continuation of life or consciousness after the death of the physical body. The 'deceased' are transformed into their subtle energy body - not visible to most people.

SI: It seems that we are living at a time when science is on the verge of endorsing and confirming ancient knowledge - that everything is energy. Do you think the two are coming together now?

H.O: There's ancient Indian knowledge brought forward some 100 years ago by H.P.Blavatsky, C.W.Leadbeater and others. I think it was Leadbeater who said something like "One day men of faith and men of science will stand in the same place. And the men of faith will turn to the men of science and say 'We've been waiting all this time for you to arrive."'

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* For scientific mathematical model refer to: V.French, P.J.Bryant, S.V.Bryant, Science, 1976, Pattern regulation in epimorphic fields, 193, 969-81; V. French, P.J.Bryant, S.V.Bryant, Science, 1981,Distal regeneration and symmetry, 212, 993-1002.


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